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this is Martin Willis your host and it

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feels great to be back I had a lot of

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fun with Dean last week co-hosting with

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him and uh it was a lot of fun I'm going

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to invite him back uh now and then to do

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some shows together I mean it was great

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fun and uh I also want to thank him

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kindly for the wonderful job he did in

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my absence and it feels great to be back

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our guest tonight is the one and only

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James Fox always loved talking to James

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he's got great energy and we're going to

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be talking about his movie moment of

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contact uh the blog this week it's the

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third in this series and it's called

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behind the scenes of UFO of UFO cover-up

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that was a series uh back in the 1980s

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live it was called UFO cover-up question

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mark live so this is part three on that

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by Charles Lear those are always made

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into an audio blog so they're up on

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YouTube and I believe Facebook

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anyway so I I want to thank everyone for

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watching the show tonight I'll try to

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keep an eye on uh the chat uh later on

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in the show if you'd like to pose a

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question please put it in all caps and

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right now I would like to play the

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trailer for the movie that we're going

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to be talking about tonight with James

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in 1996

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the people of Virginia Brazil witnessed

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a UFO event

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that would change their lives

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forever

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followed another rajwal if you will

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that is a crashed vehicle that had

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beings on board

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not that famous don't do it finally the

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facts will be revealed the Virginia case

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is considered the most well-kept secret

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in the military Circles of Brazil

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the objective here is to put some

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clarity on what took place in Virginia

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the Witnesses are some of the most

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compelling testimony I've ever heard

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a lot of people in this town have a

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little piece of the puzzle

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he had captured this creature his bare

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capture the creature he developed his

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foreign this can no longer be covered up

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they might shoot us because we're on the

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this can't be denied

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it'll be the most compelling testimony

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this is a level of confirmation that

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only a handful of people on this planet

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it's supposed to do and I think it does

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a good job at that yeah so this is great

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uh to talk to you once again about this

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this movie but now it's in uh you've

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been having a couple of premieres you

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have one coming up next week and on uh

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what you said earlier

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um it's being reviewed by a major

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because it they weren't sure if there

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was a demand for it

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um but that was uh put to rest after our

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York and they've also talked about the

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possibility of doing scattered

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screenings Across America so we'll see

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one one thing at a time right and do you

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like to when they're doing a screening

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or Premiere you you are there right I

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mean you want yes and do you actually

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contact and it's a lot of fun it feels

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you know Hollywood I guess and I'm not a

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Hollywood guy you know I mean I've never

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the country and kind of away from all

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that and people are like if you want to

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Hollywood I was like yeah that's not

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going to happen remember you really live

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great time visiting you there back in

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June I do beautiful country right yeah

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mountains I like nature I like to go out

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Serenity and peace and

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excellent excellent so how is the uh

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well we'll talk about you know the movie

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and what it was like to film and I

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remember we were in touch when you were

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down there uh filming and I believe yeah

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you sent me a text right when you

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thought you were going to be shot at I

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remember that that was that was a crazy

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time down there but so but first of all

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this and look at it deeply the way and

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make a a film about it

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a gentleman that I worked with who was a

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co-producer on a film I did called out

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uh uh said you know when we're sort of

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mapping the idea of the concept of the

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film out he was like hey there's this

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UFO crash in Brazil I don't know if you

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heard about it but apparently these live

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aunties aliens survived and they were

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walking through the town and I was like

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oh come on what Fantasy Land are you

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living in you know and uh I think it

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um in fact I know it kind of upset Tim

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um because uh I dismissed it so quickly

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funny enough I gave a if you look at the

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credits at the end of special thanks I

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give a credit to Tim Coleman because he

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was the one that introduced me to this

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case so fast forward probably 2010 maybe

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2011 at the latest

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the South to give a presentation on a

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film I did called I know what I saw

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presentation uh in Washington DC in in

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2007 with the help of Leslie Kane and we

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flew in all these high-level military

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and government officials from seven

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countries and they testified as to the

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reality of the phenomenon as well as

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pushing for more government transparency

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yada yada

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so any case I'm about to fly down to

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Brazil and I get a phone call from a

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buddy of mine who's been very

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influential uh pulling strings behind

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and um I'm I'm sure he doesn't mind me

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he's got to credit the movie now as well

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I said yeah he goes you got to look into

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Virginia I was like oh my God don't tell

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me this guy's drank the Kool-Aid too you

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know because I'm thinking okay we got

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Tim Cole to think about who I have a lot

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of respect for very bright guy now I got

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you know this guy who's I think he was

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head former head of Sony pictures you

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can look him up

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and uh now he's telling me and I was

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like uh sure Jeff I'll look into this

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alleged UFO crash yeah I'll do that for

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you click and I thought to myself yeah

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that's not gonna happen so I went to

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Brazil and at the conference I happened

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to meet some people that were either

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direct Witnesses or Witnesses friends

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so I started digging into it

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um you know in in actuality I was going

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to try and put the Virginia case into

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the phenomenon and I worked on it

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work on and off of editing I had the

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segment ready to kind of Quasi ready to

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this doesn't quite fit it's too much

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it's too much and the story probably

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deserves a documentary of its own and

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producer a friend of mine Marco Leal

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in Brazil for like well over a decade

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and he was devastated when the

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phenomenon of course he loved the

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phenomenon but he was like what happened

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to Virginia you didn't include it I said

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you know you're going to have to do our

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own documentary on just that case

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so it was a rather lofty task but um we

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you know we'd already had I'd had 10 11

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years under my belt with the case and

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he's got 15 to 18 years under his belt

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and then all the other fellow

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researchers in Brazil and we all kind of

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huddled and

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and uh and and made it happen

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and I feel like that there's so much

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content so many pieces of the puzzle

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that it deserved its own uh it deserved

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to be

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a film just on that case

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you know I when I watch that

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um you sent me the uh I forget what you

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call it the rough cut

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um I don't know way back in

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uh may I believe of this year

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by the time I got done watching that I

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was pretty much convinced that and I had

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heard about this case you know years ago

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but I was pretty much convinced that

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there's no way this didn't happen you

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know I mean it just and it's bizarre I

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mean uh I remember feeling after

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watching this feeling like that poor

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alien that was that was so scared uh

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according to the two girls uh three

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girls and uh you know it just makes you

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feel sorry for him and then you know

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everybody one of the all right this is

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the convincing parts of it to me is

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everybody's basically describing the

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same thing you know the oily skin the

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red eyes the odor sulfur like odor I

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believe it is and uh and then there were

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the one thing that's a little confusing

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to me and you can clear this up was

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there two beings and one was found that

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was dead or is that the same being that

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so there were reports of up to five

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beings but we only had credible

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testimony enough substantial or

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substance on two captures one with the

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fire department and one with those two

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military police officers Eric Lopes and

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so we inherit of accounts P you know

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look nobody in the town ever thought

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this is an alien from another world

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not even the people that captured air

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gloves and Marco trees it was like some

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of the girls that came within eight to

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ten feet of this alive being thought it

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was the devil

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people were terrified uh they called it

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a creature they called it the devil they

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called they didn't know you know

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but it did have

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it did have uh according to the

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witnesses feelings

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fright

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it was it was feeble

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it wanted help

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one of the

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um

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aspects of the encounter with the three

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girls Katya liliani and valkyria there

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were two sisters there were 14 and 16

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and then the older one Katya was 21.

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and they were going through this vacant

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lot with a cinder block wall and Tall

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Grass and it was about three o'clock in

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the afternoon between three and three

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Thirty in the afternoon it was January

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20th hot in Brazil during this their

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Winters are our summers and their

302
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summers are our Winters right so um

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uh

304
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I I think it was lilianni the 16 year

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old that saw it first and again I remind

306
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your your audience your listeners it was

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broad daylight and they came within

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eight to ten feet of this thing now

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it was somewhat like Frozen in a

310
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position where it had its hands down it

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was kind of looking down and kind of

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squatting down crouching

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and feeble

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uh scared uh non-threatening

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um suffering

316
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and I think liliani let out a yell of

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Terror of you know fright and it turned

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so from this position

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and it turned and it looked them right

320
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in the eyes okay its eyes were three to

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four times bigger than that of a human

322
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Liliana grabs her 14 year old daughter

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sorry her 14 year old sister valkyria

324
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and they bolt out of there as fast as

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they can

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Katya the 21 year old is Frozen in her

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tracks locked eyes on this beam right

328
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and there's some level of communication

329
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that's going on during this moment

330
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in fact that's where the the uh title of

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the film came from is I as a as as a

332
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filmmaker I'm also an editor I'm always

333
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thinking of

334
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that are engaging and watching the movie

335
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and it's such an extraordinary

336
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potentially once in a lifetime testimony

337
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I want as the Director as as as as an

338
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editor but also as a viewer I want to be

339
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in that

340
00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,380
moment that moment of contact locking

341
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eyes with this being okay

342
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put me there and I always want to get as

343
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many details as I possibly can because

344
00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:02,880
even though it's probably only just a

345
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few seconds

346
00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:07,380
time slows down in that moment right and

347
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you have something that's that intense

348
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it's like right and uh and so I said you

349
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know put me there in that moment of

350
00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:15,360
contact what did you feel what did you

351
00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:17,160
see what did you you know and that's

352
00:17:20,569 --> 00:17:19,020
when she said that it was communicating

353
00:17:23,329 --> 00:17:20,579
to her that it wanted help it was scared

354
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,339
it was it was it was weak and it was

355
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suffering

356
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,640
um and and I always think about like

357
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imagine a different case scenario

358
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,559
imagine if these girls had not run off

359
00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:36,720
imagine that they'd provided this being

360
00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:38,940
shelter or imagine if they'd

361
00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:41,160
you know I just seen the film e for the

362
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,600
first time in a long time with my son

363
00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:45,120
you know and I just thought wow the

364
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parallels and I know it sounds like

365
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science fiction I I believe me I know

366
00:17:52,850 --> 00:17:51,120
that as someone who was making a

367
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documentary on the topic of UFOs in the

368
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late 90s and it's made you know four

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since

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um

371
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I completely understand the level of

372
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,020
skepticism that this film could this

373
00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:06,000
story could be potentially met with and

374
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:07,620
I don't blame anyone for feeling that

375
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:10,799
way but you can imagine like

376
00:18:15,710 --> 00:18:13,260
uh had it gone a different route had had

377
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these girls decided to help this

378
00:18:20,049 --> 00:18:18,360
creature and it almost did make me kind

379
00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:20,059
of sad to think about

380
00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:22,440
you know representatives of the

381
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Brazilian military and Army and

382
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fire department

383
00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:29,220
um

384
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you know there was one witness that

385
00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:32,400
heard the capture and he said it was

386
00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:34,500
crying they what and they were asking

387
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,299
this guy he was a construction worker

388
00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:38,400
what was what did you you know it's like

389
00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:40,200
it was crying like a baby when they

390
00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:43,080
captured it oh very very scared it's a

391
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:45,720
very uh not that many people

392
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:49,200
that watched this film get that part but

393
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,240
every now and again I'll get someone go

394
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,039
oh that moment that witness said it was

395
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,960
crying like a baby really profoundly

396
00:18:58,970 --> 00:18:56,640
affected me

397
00:19:01,610 --> 00:18:58,980
it did me as well I just thought you

398
00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:01,620
know of course I 12 years into this case

399
00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:05,220
I've talked to all the key Witnesses

400
00:19:09,529 --> 00:19:07,620
um I'm convinced it happened I wouldn't

401
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:09,539
waste it all that time otherwise and

402
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,160
certainly put my credibility on the line

403
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:12,720
I get that

404
00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:16,559
but uh but I do it does uh

405
00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:18,419
bother me a little bit

406
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:21,539
that um how these beans were reportedly

407
00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:24,960
treated and and uh

408
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,000
you know just what would have happened

409
00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:30,000
had the girls and I'm sure look you know

410
00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:32,760
they were perfectly Justified to be

411
00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:34,140
terrified of this thing I have no doubt

412
00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:35,160
that I probably would have done the

413
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:37,559
exact same thing but it is makes one

414
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:39,780
kind of curious to know just to think

415
00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:41,880
about like you know in an alternate

416
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:43,260
reality what would have happened if they

417
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,340
would have taken this thing in and

418
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,280
provided shelter and helped it uh escape

419
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:49,200
the uh the capture from the authorities

420
00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:54,720
wow but then again supposedly the I

421
00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:56,760
think it was a military officer was it a

422
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,880
fireman that carried supposedly carried

423
00:20:04,010 --> 00:20:02,400
or captured and carried and he

424
00:20:05,169 --> 00:20:04,020
ultimately died

425
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:05,179
yeah

426
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,500
um what we did

427
00:20:15,049 --> 00:20:12,960
for the first time according to all the

428
00:20:17,529 --> 00:20:15,059
Brazilian researchers that that I worked

429
00:20:23,450 --> 00:20:17,539
with is I fly a drone

430
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:23,460
and I like to get up above an area

431
00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:25,740
um you know citing uh maybe whether it's

432
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:27,720
a crash site or an encounter or capture

433
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,640
or whatever it is and just get some

434
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:31,679
marital photography

435
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,860
but I did that on a number of pretty

436
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,720
much every scene and everywhere we shot

437
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,640
across Brazil

438
00:20:42,529 --> 00:20:40,860
and one thing we realized

439
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:42,539
see if I can show your your audience

440
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:44,700
because this is fascinating this is

441
00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:46,260
something that we've determined kind of

442
00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:49,559
well out in the field but even more so

443
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,960
um in the uh in the edit room

444
00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:53,700
I'll just show you guys really quickly

445
00:20:58,730 --> 00:20:54,840
here

446
00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:02,150
are you drawing something I am so you've

447
00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:04,200
got an area let's say this is like four

448
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:06,419
square blocks right

449
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,539
maybe two here and four across you know

450
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:11,760
you've got the military blockade here so

451
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:14,220
we have eyewitness testimony there that

452
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:15,419
the military wouldn't let anybody in

453
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:17,640
then you've got this this

454
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:19,980
one here this is where the girls

455
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:22,260
encountered the creature at three

456
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,360
o'clock in the afternoon January 20th

457
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,820
and then just a couple blocks away this

458
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,380
is where the capture took place and

459
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,419
again these are just you know four or

460
00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:31,919
five square blocks

461
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:33,539
and we got the whole thing from the air

462
00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:36,600
we realized my God this all took place a

463
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,780
lot of this took place in a rather small

464
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:41,760
spot

465
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:42,980
um

466
00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:47,940
at about five o'clock 5 30 p.m a

467
00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:50,100
gentleman by the name of Eric Lopes and

468
00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:53,700
Marco Charisse are on patrol

469
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,620
on the lookout for something strange

470
00:21:59,630 --> 00:21:57,780
something unusual

471
00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:59,640
something like this they didn't know

472
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:01,500
what they weren't given that kind of

473
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,780
information and they're driving just a

474
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:05,940
couple blocks away about two hours after

475
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:07,860
the girls had that encounter with that

476
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,380
strange being when this thing apparently

477
00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:12,000
runs right across the road in front of

478
00:22:16,690 --> 00:22:13,100
them

479
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,700
and uh the driver slams his brakes on

480
00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:19,679
marker trees in the passenger seat leaps

481
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:20,520
out

482
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,940
and uh with very little effort and and

483
00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:26,039
very little resistance is able to

484
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,200
capture the same with his bare hands

485
00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:31,440
now according to the researchers and his

486
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,340
family

487
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,000
in the process he got a little scratch

488
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,220
here somewhere around here on his arm

489
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,740
not a big scratch a little scratch but

490
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,720
this creature had this weird oil all

491
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:44,400
over they all everybody described this

492
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:46,020
oil even when it was deceased it had

493
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,780
this weird oily brown skin with lots of

494
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:50,460
oil like silicone

495
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:54,900
and uh according to uh the researchers

496
00:23:00,730 --> 00:22:58,980
and the family Marco fell ill

497
00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,740
um he apparently

498
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,240
within a day or so after he was rubbing

499
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,039
putting rubbing alcohol over to get the

500
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,860
smell and this oil off of him

501
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:09,900
um within a couple of weeks he fell ill

502
00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:14,760
he admitted himself to the hospital

503
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:17,159
um he had this uh systematic immune

504
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:19,320
system failure the Doctor Who we

505
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:20,760
interviewed through the book I mean

506
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:22,740
through like the kitchen sink he tried

507
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:25,020
every type of antibiotic and he said his

508
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:26,280
immune system he'd never seen anything

509
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,100
like it 20 plus years prior 26 years

510
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:31,679
later after never seen anything like

511
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:34,100
this perfectly healthy 23 year old

512
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:39,419
Soldier dies geez and um and for the for

513
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:41,880
the first time in history the Dr Cesario

514
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:44,100
the very Doctor Who worked on him back

515
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:46,020
in 1996

516
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,679
um

517
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,840
gave us an on-camera interview and and

518
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,820
revealed his not only his identity his

519
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:52,200
face is everything

520
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:54,780
and um it was extraordinary and and we

521
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:57,900
interviewed the his sister

522
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,140
um uh Marta talks about you know the

523
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:02,940
visits they got from the military and

524
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,539
what the Brazilian uh military told the

525
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,299
deceased officer's mother

526
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,280
and the family basically that this story

527
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,600
was true that it couldn't come out

528
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:14,580
because society would collapse that was

529
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:16,679
the justification that they used back in

530
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:18,059
1996

531
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:19,559
um

532
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:24,600
and uh funny enough I I uh probably

533
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,179
probably back in 2014 I was shooting

534
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:32,039
um was then called uh it's a working

535
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:35,640
title 701 It ultimately oh yeah became

536
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:37,320
the phenomenon

537
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,500
and I was shooting in Los Angeles and I

538
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:43,020
was had a laser-like focus on Rua at the

539
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:44,760
time I'd float I was flying in Witnesses

540
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,919
from different corners of the world

541
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,480
um Randall Nickerson was helping me out

542
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:50,220
with that

543
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:54,120
and uh Roger Lear found out that I was

544
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:58,080
doing also working on Virginia

545
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,620
and Dr Roger Lear was adamant and I one

546
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:04,799
of my biggest regrets he was adamant to

547
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:05,940
get an interview with me and I had

548
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,039
camera Crews set up and I was so busy

549
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:11,039
during that time I kept kind of you know

550
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:17,210
and

551
00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:22,320
going to interview me I said no Dr Lira

552
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,059
it's not that I don't want to interview

553
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,100
you I've just been so busy I you know

554
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:28,140
all the stuff that was happening

555
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:30,299
and uh he's like well at least take my

556
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:32,360
tapes

557
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:37,559
went to Virginia in 2002 and I did

558
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,940
extensive

559
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,760
uh investigations and interviews and and

560
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:44,400
you can have them all just take my tapes

561
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:46,380
so I took all of his tapes

562
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,559
and I transferred them digitally and

563
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:51,720
then I sent them back to him

564
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:55,380
and uh he died right

565
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,220
um yeah

566
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,000
I found out that he died and um and when

567
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,120
I read his book anyway those tapes

568
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:05,820
contained on-camera testimony that

569
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,360
proved to be in invaluable to the

570
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:11,580
production and we included him in the

571
00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:14,340
film and and all that

572
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,539
um

573
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,000
but he interviewed Marco treesi the

574
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,679
deceased military officer involved in

575
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:21,900
the capture he interviewed his wife his

576
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,600
wife's never been seen before since in

577
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:27,120
2002 with the help of the leading

578
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:29,700
Brazilian UFO researcher Luba dejara

579
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:31,500
Rodriguez and there was another

580
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,380
gentleman named Hector peccachini who's

581
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,539
come back online in the last couple of

582
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:39,480
days revealing some pretty astonishing

583
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:44,039
uh facts about the case but um

584
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:45,299
um

585
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:48,659
yeah uh Marco she's wife wasn't ever

586
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,740
given uh any explanation for how exactly

587
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:54,720
you know why her husband died how he

588
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,700
died they were super secretive on the

589
00:27:01,730 --> 00:26:59,279
autopsy they were super secretive on on

590
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,740
the uh death you know there's tip they

591
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:03,600
had to like fight to get the death

592
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,100
certificate I mean it was the whole

593
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,740
thing was just shrouded in secrecy and

594
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:10,080
and just they wanted to put his body in

595
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,640
the ground immediately the moment he

596
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,960
stopped breathing they wanted to bury

597
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,179
that guy and

598
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,720
um no autopsy of course I guess well I'm

599
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:20,580
not entirely sure they did find some

600
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:23,400
stuff I they found some there's a report

601
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:25,980
in the in the in the film but in any

602
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:29,279
case Dr Roger Lear

603
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:32,940
he traveled he traveled to

604
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,419
Brazil in 2002 with a fellow

605
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,640
doctor I have his name I just don't have

606
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:40,320
it at my fingertips

607
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,940
and they according to Dr Roger lear's

608
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:46,799
book

609
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,260
for the most part is a transcript of the

610
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,659
tapes the interviews that he did

611
00:28:02,930 --> 00:27:59,760
however there were a couple of meetings

612
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:02,940
that Dr Roger Lear was involved with in

613
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:03,960
his book

614
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,500
everything else was accurate because I

615
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:09,840
had the tapes he met with a couple of

616
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,559
doctors that performed some type of

617
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,100
surgery surgical

618
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,260
procedure on one of these creatures that

619
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:20,880
was still alive

620
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:22,140
and there was some level of

621
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,940
communication again this is according to

622
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:26,460
Dr Roger Lear in his book

623
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,419
and I have yet to get access to these

624
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,120
doctors the other gentleman that was

625
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,860
traveling with Dr Roger unfortunately by

626
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:37,020
the time I got to him which was last

627
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,539
year he had just died so he was the only

628
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,120
other person in the room other than Uber

629
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,760
genre Rodriguez and he won't talk to me

630
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:46,500
maybe he'll change his mind but but

631
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,340
again

632
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,919
according to Dr Roger Lear

633
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:52,559
in his book there was communication with

634
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,740
the live creature in the hospital with a

635
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:57,480
couple of doctors

636
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,320
wow and let's since since you're talking

637
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,240
about this right now oh let me just pull

638
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:05,640
up this question here because

639
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,580
um was there footage taken by a fireman

640
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,620
or was this

641
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,740
what is the video that um I know I

642
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:15,059
talked to you

643
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:19,620
um offline about this but uh but do you

644
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:22,260
fourth do you see that that video May

645
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:23,399
Come

646
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:26,700
available at some point

647
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,889
I need to be careful with what I say

648
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,520
because I don't want to jeopardize our

649
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:37,620
efforts right now sure

650
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:39,960
um let's just put it this way

651
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:48,250
uh just because you

652
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,620
definitively locate something

653
00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:55,320
it doesn't necessarily mean

654
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,610
to say the least

655
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:07,200
um remember not a single witness not a

656
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:08,760
single person

657
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:11,940
that appeared on camera in this film

658
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,880
didn't do so

659
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:16,500
very willingly

660
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,460
it was a fight sometimes you know over a

661
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:21,600
decade

662
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,380
see Marco Leal has been working so hard

663
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,179
on on getting some of these people that

664
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,039
that testified for the first time in

665
00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:31,140
history on this case

666
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,179
um

667
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:34,140
most of them were like what's never

668
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,100
going to happen we're never going to

669
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:36,720
come forward in the process of those

670
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,779
investigations we came across

671
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:41,340
um

672
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:45,120
very credible sources to photographic

673
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:48,419
evidence both photos and video

674
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,149
it's been more difficult because a lot

675
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:58,980
of the old researchers there was Claudio

676
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,659
kovo

677
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:03,480
he has since deceased uh there's

678
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,500
ubarajara Rodriguez and in 2004 2005 he

679
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:09,059
did an about face

680
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:13,080
and there is uh Victor pacaccini who has

681
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:14,940
disappeared for 18 years who's just

682
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:17,520
resurfaced last week that's a very good

683
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:20,100
sign because pekachini has got his

684
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,220
finger on the pulse he was working with

685
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,919
the Brazilian military back in 1996 even

686
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:28,020
taking video statements from them

687
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:32,399
himself as a sort of security for them

688
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:34,860
the soldiers that if anything should

689
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,140
happen to them those tapes that were

690
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:39,360
scattered all across the the country

691
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:42,659
would be released and so

692
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:43,700
um

693
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:48,240
yeah and so uh uh he is

694
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:50,520
decided for whatever reason

695
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,580
uh just last week

696
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:56,520
um I'm getting back in and I'm going

697
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:00,779
after uh everything that I know and um

698
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:03,480
so we now we have him on our on our on

699
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,500
our team and so um and he just spoke

700
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,200
with the New York Post

701
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,299
as well as another eyewitness I don't

702
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,679
know if you guys managed to catch that

703
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:15,539
New York Post article

704
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:19,140
by Matthew schellenberger I believe it

705
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,580
was

706
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,320
um

707
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,480
those guys actually did due diligence I

708
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,039
mean they really they needed to talk to

709
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,899
more than just one person who who's seen

710
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,299
the footage of the creature and they

711
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,880
they they really worked on it for at

712
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:34,620
least a week

713
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,539
um talking to talking to people in

714
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,460
Brazil and they put that together pretty

715
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:41,039
nicely and if you read that article that

716
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,480
gives like um unprecedented testimony of

717
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,240
what the videotaped evidence reveals and

718
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,760
it's pretty remarkable I highly suggest

719
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,980
anyone out there to go read that New

720
00:32:57,169 --> 00:32:55,140
York Post article then there was two

721
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,179
one that came out I think on a Friday

722
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,279
the second one that's far more elaborate

723
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:01,140
with photographs

724
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:02,820
um I'm so sorry I think it's

725
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,919
shellenberger I I could look it up right

726
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,020
now so you'll know for sure well I'm I'm

727
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:09,120
gonna pull it right up here in just a

728
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,059
second okay great yeah because uh I'm

729
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:14,519
telling you these guys did their due

730
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:17,700
diligence and Michael schellenberger

731
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,700
yeah he did a great job he spoke

732
00:33:23,649 --> 00:33:22,380
directly for the first time in history

733
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:23,659
yep

734
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:26,760
uh yes a scroll down on that is that uh

735
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,679
because again there was two

736
00:33:32,289 --> 00:33:31,080
no see that's the wrong one that's the

737
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,299
wrong one

738
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,860
so that's the one that's the one that I

739
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,419
read I didn't read the other one but the

740
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:39,240
other one is the only one worth reading

741
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:40,919
no I'm just telling you because he's got

742
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,039
for the first time in history he's got

743
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,039
uh counts as I said

744
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,380
Michael Schellenberg that's it yeah okay

745
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,120
that's the article so that's the one you

746
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,519
guys want to read it's out I will link I

747
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:55,679
will link this in the show notes for for

748
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:56,519
everyone

749
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:00,539
that's not never before seen or heard

750
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,720
testimony detailed testimony of what the

751
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,000
photographic evidence reveals and both

752
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,679
of the people

753
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:09,720
in the article

754
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:16,369
know where that footage is

755
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:20,460
wow so you've actually personally have

756
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:21,720
spoken

757
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,839
to someone that has actually

758
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:27,599
seen the video

759
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,359
is three people you've spoken to three

760
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:32,159
people that have seen the video I mean

761
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,419
to me that's

762
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,179
that's pretty compelling and I remember

763
00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:38,040
I know you're compelling and pretty

764
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:41,159
frustrating yeah I remember

765
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:41,760
um

766
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,179
you mentioned that it's not about a

767
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,820
money thing there's money that will not

768
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,720
change

769
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,480
of the way someone might release that

770
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,820
that has their hands on it I don't know

771
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,500
how much you can say or can't say here

772
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:57,780
but I remember that was kind of the

773
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,940
theme that you had mentioned what was

774
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,619
going on at the time

775
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:03,119
so it has to be another type of

776
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:04,920
motivation for this person to let this

777
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,460
go well you know people that

778
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,400
participated in the film

779
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:16,430
we're so scared

780
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,619
just eyewitnesses okay not not

781
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,140
eyewitnesses that had evidence but just

782
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,359
eyewitness eyewitnesses to the event

783
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:26,280
people that participated in one way or

784
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,960
another with the capture of the

785
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,460
transportation anything like that

786
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,320
terrified

787
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,500
I mean look at uh Eric Lopes when we

788
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,560
rolled up on him at his house oh yeah

789
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,540
that was a real scene there wasn't

790
00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:41,099
anything that was staged in there that

791
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:44,300
happened as it happened and

792
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,300
I said to one of the leading Brazilian

793
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:51,359
UFO researchers just recently

794
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,599
my God I think we almost got shot when

795
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:56,400
we went to Eric lopes's place I mean

796
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,780
that was no joke it's a military

797
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:00,480
intelligence officer

798
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,800
um

799
00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:03,119
he said

800
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:05,420
to the res the researcher said back in

801
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:09,240
1996 he made it certain to me as clear

802
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,820
as day steer clear if you want to stay

803
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,800
alive like do not even think of coming

804
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:15,780
near me as as trying to get any

805
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:17,220
statements out of me

806
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:20,040
and this guy could so easily have just

807
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,420
come out of the house and said you know

808
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:23,520
this this whole thing is just a bunch of

809
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,339
nonsense it's gotten way out of hand

810
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,280
there's nothing to any of it

811
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:31,260
I didn't I wasn't driving the car that

812
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,540
night of the capture easily you could

813
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,520
just easily make a statement and be done

814
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,740
with it but instead

815
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:39,720
he says if you're here to talk about the

816
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:41,400
ET he's not going to say anything and

817
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,140
bullets are going to start flying if you

818
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,780
don't get out of there yeah you know you

819
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:47,880
have the translator uh make that pretty

820
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,099
clear well it didn't actually make it

821
00:36:54,609 --> 00:36:51,920
clear in the field that was later

822
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:54,619
is that right

823
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,420
kind of we're scattering though I had no

824
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:59,339
idea I mean it was pretty intense I mean

825
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,660
one of the things that I've talked about

826
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:03,420
on a couple of podcasts that you know

827
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:06,180
for those of you who've seen the scene

828
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:06,900
um

829
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,460
I could see Dave Dave West or DP uh said

830
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:12,900
he had the wrong lens he was not

831
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:15,720
anticipating that type of encounter he

832
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:17,220
was expecting the guy to come out and he

833
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,900
could but he was up in a window looking

834
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:21,060
down at us at a distance at a little bit

835
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,380
of a distance

836
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,440
but I was right across from him and I

837
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,560
and I was look it was Portuguese being

838
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,800
spoken quickly it was very intense I

839
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:33,599
could feel the atmosphere the tense

840
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,780
atmosphere and I looked this man in the

841
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:37,859
eyes

842
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:40,980
and I've never in all my years

843
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:44,940
Seen A Face like his

844
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:47,640
like like the

845
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,180
like the eyes and the face

846
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:53,460
had been harboring

847
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,240
a deep dark secret and that had taken a

848
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:59,520
toll on him hmm

849
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:02,040
I've never seen it anything like it if

850
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,540
you could imagine

851
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:05,760
and look I'm just you know this guy

852
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:08,820
might not have seen anything but I'm

853
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,640
I I pretty sure he did

854
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,000
but if you can imagine

855
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,119
witnessing an event of that magnitude

856
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,740
having one of your best friends die as a

857
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,880
result of it

858
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,619
in the whole world coming after you for

859
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,520
answers

860
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,560
the military is saying you know God

861
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:28,440
knows what the military told him

862
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:31,800
um imagine having to shelter that that

863
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,700
secret for 26 years and imagine how that

864
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,220
might affect I mean look he won't even

865
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:40,400
give a statement

866
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,339
to his very dear friend Marco trees's

867
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:45,599
family

868
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:48,660
okay so he lost a friend during that

869
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:50,820
after that night

870
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:53,160
and

871
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,900
Eric Lopes

872
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:56,579
married

873
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,339
the deceased officer's sister

874
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,740
okay

875
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,079
when after that encounter

876
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,020
we contacted

877
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:09,540
his wife Eric loves his wife

878
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,660
what is it going to take

879
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:14,460
to get a statement

880
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:15,900
on camera

881
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,579
from Eric Lopes

882
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:20,160
her response was you bring my brother

883
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:22,380
back to life and he'll talk with you oh

884
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:25,140
my god wow I swear that's what happened

885
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:26,040
yeah

886
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:32,099
um comes to mind uh while we're talking

887
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:32,940
here

888
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:35,460
you showed earlier on you showed the

889
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:39,240
block where you know the the square of

890
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:42,599
up and where the Witnesses were so that

891
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:45,000
general area how far

892
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:46,380
away

893
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,500
as the crow flies would you say the

894
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,200
purported crash was

895
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:54,780
I think it was about six miles and I'm

896
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,560
always confused with the uh you know I

897
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,240
know I understand kilometers I used to

898
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,119
live in Europe so but I but I think the

899
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,740
researchers said it was roughly 10

900
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:06,119
kilometers so I'm going to say roughly

901
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:09,960
six miles six miles away now there's a a

902
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:14,040
river near the alleged impact site that

903
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,220
leads right to where the entities near

904
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,200
where the entities were seen

905
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,720
it's just speculation and nobody knows

906
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,700
for sure how they got from the impact

907
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,680
site to the river some people said maybe

908
00:40:31,569 --> 00:40:27,420
they had an escape pod some people said

909
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,579
maybe they got in the river nobody knows

910
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:34,020
what about six miles

911
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:37,260
I see yeah as a crow flies has anyone

912
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,370
military X

913
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,240
is the closest we got because he was

914
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:46,800
that he was stationed at as a military

915
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:48,680
base

916
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,900
and well we had we had a couple people

917
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:53,520
that we interviewed from as a military

918
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,820
base and they they had talked about all

919
00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,680
this unusual activity at the time like

920
00:41:02,349 --> 00:41:01,260
an activity that's never before or since

921
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:02,359
happened

922
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:06,300
secrecy weird activity Americans flying

923
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:07,560
in

924
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:12,960
friend who was stationed who's also

925
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:15,660
at as a military base he was involved

926
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:17,099
with the um

927
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:20,460
the ground operation uh the Army had for

928
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,780
the uh for the crashed object

929
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,700
but military X was not involved with

930
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,560
that aspect he just said this is what my

931
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:31,680
friends said that it all started at

932
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:34,980
myolini Farm which is where Carlos De

933
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:37,400
salza the ultralight pilot and and

934
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,280
professor in Sao Paulo uh saw this

935
00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:44,400
strange cigar-shaped object crash on the

936
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:48,140
morning of January 13 1996.

937
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,660
and was that the same the same day

938
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,940
that's the creatures no no the girls saw

939
00:41:59,050 --> 00:41:56,400
the creatures on the 20th wow so seven

940
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,060
days went by seven days

941
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:02,220
wow that's amazing I I didn't know that

942
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:06,599
part of it now out after this happened

943
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,380
um

944
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:10,440
how long did it stay relevant that

945
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:13,380
you're aware of like maybe military

946
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:17,220
interrogations or like the buzz how long

947
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:19,140
did the buzz last before it just kind of

948
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:21,000
faded away do you did you look into any

949
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:22,320
of that

950
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,260
um yeah I would say probably 18 months

951
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:29,040
you know the military uh we we actually

952
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,660
have the archive

953
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:32,280
press conference

954
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:37,680
uh that General Lima had given as a

955
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,140
military base I don't know if you

956
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,760
remember that part of the film or not

957
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:43,320
it's towards the end

958
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,800
uh it's it's quite it it speaks volumes

959
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:48,540
not just what he says but what he

960
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:49,980
doesn't say

961
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:53,280
hmm I I do remember I do remember that

962
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,780
yes

963
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
um now

964
00:43:03,170 --> 00:42:58,800
as let's just talk about what's been

965
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,180
happening uh since the film has come out

966
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:07,200
uh and what's been the reaction of the

967
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:15,069
I know

968
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,780
how skeptical I was in fact I wouldn't

969
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,460
even call it skeptical I would call it

970
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,260
dismissive

971
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:25,200
as someone who was making their second

972
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,740
documentary on the topic of UFOs

973
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,440
dismissed it so quickly

974
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,839
so I know what we're up against in the

975
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,060
terms of of

976
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,819
um acceptance or even willingness to

977
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,760
look at the the case and I say to people

978
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,740
look I get it

979
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,900
um but I'm asking you just you know and

980
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:47,520
just imagine just suspend judgment and

981
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:50,940
imagine if it did happen you know how

982
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:52,380
significant of a story would it be but

983
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:55,260
also uh to just listen to the eyewitness

984
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,859
testimony and and uh and draw your own

985
00:44:01,329 --> 00:44:00,660
conclusions

986
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,339
um

987
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,839
remarkably so far

988
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:06,480
it hasn't gotten the level of mainstream

989
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:11,180
attention that the phenomenon got hmm

990
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:15,060
but it's been getting some attention

991
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:18,660
um we got we're on CNN for I don't know

992
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,540
seven plus minutes the other night that

993
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,359
very rather serious

994
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,880
um show I did Fox News that was rather

995
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,800
serious it wasn't

996
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:31,260
um ridiculed uh we've been written up in

997
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:33,660
a few Publications done countless uh you

998
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:37,859
know radio and a few TV appearances

999
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,780
um getting write-ups all the time it's

1000
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,359
getting great reviews people just saying

1001
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,819
look I understand like how this sounds

1002
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:47,220
but but take a moment and look at this

1003
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:50,220
film it's actually you know and um I

1004
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:51,480
understand that there's going to because

1005
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:55,079
I feel like I'm out there a little bit

1006
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,280
um

1007
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:58,079
being hung out to dry a little bit you

1008
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,300
know you've got all the

1009
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,280
um you know the military intelligence

1010
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:04,740
people that I'm sure have a lot more

1011
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,500
answers that could uh

1012
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:10,140
they could add Credence to this case and

1013
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,700
I'm hoping that that

1014
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:13,440
uh

1015
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:15,060
is something that's going to occur in

1016
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,160
the not so distant future I'm told that

1017
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,040
it is but we'll see I would feel

1018
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:22,619
it would be nice to have a little more

1019
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,500
support and I know you know people are

1020
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,640
probably scratching their heads and

1021
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,380
thinking do I want to get into this

1022
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:30,480
Arena or not and I don't blame them

1023
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,700
particularly the fact that you know we

1024
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:33,920
do

1025
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,260
uh no uncertain terms point the finger

1026
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,420
at the United States involvement here

1027
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,460
uh yeah which is really bizarre

1028
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,619
according to the Brazil I mean look we

1029
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,000
had no intentions when we were in the

1030
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,980
field we were just asking these

1031
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,720
questions eyewitnesses were telling us

1032
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,599
about these men that showed up and dark

1033
00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:53,819
spooky men in dark suits and the

1034
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,339
intimidation and

1035
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:58,200
and then the flight control guys that

1036
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,460
were saying that that you know the

1037
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,740
United States Air Force came in so we

1038
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:03,599
have like the the people on the ground

1039
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,359
and the army base telling us everywhere

1040
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:09,839
where these things went right in great

1041
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,660
detail and then we have on the very day

1042
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:14,460
that those

1043
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:18,260
you know alleged beans arrive at espysex

1044
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,900
military base and Campinas we got the

1045
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,460
flight controllers telling us that this

1046
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,740
United States Air Force flight flew in

1047
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:27,300
unauthorized from the Brazilian

1048
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:28,160
government

1049
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,560
covert mission that lands and dispatches

1050
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:34,079
two helicopters those helicopters go to

1051
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:37,940
Virginia hello okay and then come back

1052
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:42,060
to espysex campina's military base

1053
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:45,060
and and back to the United States you

1054
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:47,099
know like boy that's quite a bit quite a

1055
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,900
bit of a but a bit of a coincidence

1056
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:51,359
don't you think yeah

1057
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:53,700
wow wow now

1058
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:57,119
how is this impacting in Brazil

1059
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:58,260
is

1060
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,520
film there

1061
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:04,079
um it's been

1062
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:07,980
uh it hasn't been it's it's the price

1063
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:11,400
point for uh the purchase of the film

1064
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,940
which just changed today or last night

1065
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,859
now it's available to rent which makes

1066
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:18,180
it a lot more affordable the first

1067
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:20,099
couple weeks it's a thing they do they

1068
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:21,660
sell it only and you get the bonus

1069
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:26,210
um now that price point has jumped down

1070
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,020
but despite that

1071
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:31,020
it has been trending as uh I think last

1072
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,680
I heard was number 28 of all films on

1073
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,200
the uh Apple T I guess it's apple or

1074
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,420
iTunes I think in in Brazil but that was

1075
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,540
a purchase price but that's gone down as

1076
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,300
of today basically this morning

1077
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,760
um it's been uh performing very very

1078
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,400
well and there's a couple of uh very big

1079
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:52,680
platforms that are negotiating

1080
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,920
distribution in all of Brazil as of like

1081
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:57,119
right now

1082
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,800
I see now what is the most common debunk

1083
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:04,200
no matter what case there is there's

1084
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,380
debunking always and so what is the most

1085
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,839
common theme of

1086
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:11,460
um a debunker

1087
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:15,359
so in this case what the uh what the

1088
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,660
Brazilian military was trying to do was

1089
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,380
to get uh the mother of the of the two

1090
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,380
daughters to basically and bribe them

1091
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:27,599
with money to and I've got their

1092
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,220
testimony on camera talking about this

1093
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,560
and get them to say that it was like a

1094
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,359
deranged man

1095
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:35,640
who had health issues that was kind of

1096
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:37,500
homeless and he was curled up in this

1097
00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:40,500
weird position and in actuality was just

1098
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,839
that they have a name for him he's known

1099
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:44,099
in the town of Virginia I've actually

1100
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,720
seen him

1101
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,819
um and they refused to do it

1102
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,920
so the military put out a statement that

1103
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:51,480
what the girl saw was just this like

1104
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:53,900
deranged man and and a you know

1105
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:56,339
just absolutely absurd and all the

1106
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,960
locals and anyone who had anything to do

1107
00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:00,839
with the case laughed it off but uh you

1108
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:02,579
know people that are unfamiliar with the

1109
00:49:07,809 --> 00:49:05,819
case yeah oh it added it it muddied the

1110
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:07,819
waters a little bit

1111
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,460
that's their purpose and uh yeah uh

1112
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:13,859
everyone also one of the things I

1113
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,500
mentioned you know was the oily skin the

1114
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:19,319
red eyes but the forked feet that's

1115
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:22,500
another one that everyone also mentions

1116
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,500
yeah so you know you can't yeah yeah so

1117
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:28,079
it was like this now we were speculating

1118
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,880
that there was another appendage that

1119
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,440
was usually kind of tucked in like this

1120
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,260
but when they walked it came out which

1121
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,760
would

1122
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:37,020
um because it'd be much harder to walk

1123
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:39,060
on this than it would be on this

1124
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,099
um which would explain the uh mother of

1125
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,599
the two girls when she went to the site

1126
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,579
right after the girls had claimed to

1127
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,619
have seen this thing it had an imprint

1128
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,839
in the sand there and the imprint was

1129
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,000
like that she drew it on on paper but

1130
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,440
she said it was clear as day like there

1131
00:50:04,450 --> 00:49:58,200
was that weird footprint

1132
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,069
everyone talks about the smell and how

1133
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,180
they couldn't get rid of the smell and

1134
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:11,700
they said like you know if you've ever

1135
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:14,339
been close to a skunk

1136
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:16,940
like close range

1137
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,339
release it's it's magic

1138
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:22,680
um they said it was like a hundred times

1139
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:26,220
stronger than that oh terrible

1140
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,880
crazy right yeah yeah I know now I'm

1141
00:50:34,329 --> 00:50:32,160
gonna post a couple of questions in just

1142
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,339
in uh three minutes here we're going off

1143
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:37,380
kgra radio and uh if it's okay we'll go

1144
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:39,500
a little longer okay

1145
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:42,599
and just uh just to let the people know

1146
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:45,540
over in kgr a radio next week's going to

1147
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,540
be George Simpson on the valentech uh

1148
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,119
UFO exot in Australia when I was in

1149
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:54,000
Australia somebody let me hear that

1150
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:56,579
um oh the tape the original

1151
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,559
wow that was spooky man wow I would love

1152
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:03,599
to hear that because he's just what you

1153
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,059
can hear on it now right now is uh I

1154
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,300
heard it I heard it I heard it yeah no

1155
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,400
no I heard it and it was very spooky

1156
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,200
because he's describing this object it's

1157
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:14,640
not an aircraft it's not an aircraft

1158
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,260
it's getting closer it's getting closer

1159
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:18,000
and then you hear this like metallic

1160
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:20,220
sound and then

1161
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:23,460
gone that's it yeah yeah it's a that's

1162
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,280
another really compelling case so here's

1163
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:28,980
a question in the chat uh Dr Richard how

1164
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,630
explanation oh it was it's an absolute

1165
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:38,400
complete and utter joke I mean the

1166
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,140
Witnesses are like I'm not even going to

1167
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,480
answer that that's just absurd

1168
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,760
yeah so I don't even know what does that

1169
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,599
mean

1170
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:48,720
the medino medino is the little Demi

1171
00:51:52,329 --> 00:51:51,660
small kind of slightly

1172
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:52,339
um

1173
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:56,040
disfigured he's he's got uh he's got a

1174
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:57,960
physical handicap and he's just kind of

1175
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,780
small and kind of slightly disfigured

1176
00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:01,920
and

1177
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:05,880
I've seen him he was pointed out to me

1178
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:10,609
um you know here's here's a question

1179
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,940
someone wanted to know if you would ever

1180
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:14,280
make a documentary on the Socorro UFO

1181
00:52:19,569 --> 00:52:16,140
incident but I guess what I'd like to

1182
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:22,670
and the phenomena yeah but have you have

1183
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,619
do you have something else uh planned

1184
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:27,359
that's something I have to ask you do

1185
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,660
you have a after this one is there I

1186
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:32,940
mean you never sit still

1187
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:35,420
so still now

1188
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,059
I know so do you have something else yes

1189
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:41,700
I I want to um

1190
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:44,339
I I want to go after the evidence

1191
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:49,559
you know I I I had the uh distinct

1192
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:51,180
um

1193
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,400
honor of

1194
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:55,740
being able to thank you George Knapp

1195
00:53:04,089 --> 00:52:59,940
interview the late Senator uh Harry Reid

1196
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,099
Perry yeah and when he

1197
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:07,280
said what he said to me on camera

1198
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,220
regarding the evidence that has

1199
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,500
been revealed to the General Public

1200
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,359
being just the tip of the iceberg it's

1201
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,940
what we kind of all suspected and I'd

1202
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,040
met with a number of military Witnesses

1203
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:22,260
and civilians too primarily military

1204
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:24,900
that had handed over very compelling

1205
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:27,720
evidence of the phenomenon

1206
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:29,400
and to some unknown government agency

1207
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,260
only to be whisked off and disappeared

1208
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,420
in some Vault somewhere so when he said

1209
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,160
you know look what's been released is

1210
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,440
only the tip of the iceberg

1211
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,720
it makes you want to dig a little deeper

1212
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,240
and then of course when I did this story

1213
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:44,339
and found out the Americans involvement

1214
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:46,020
found out the Americans came and took

1215
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,700
the bodies according to all the military

1216
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,160
witnesses that we spoke to James I have

1217
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:51,599
to do this real quickly we're going off

1218
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:54,119
kgra radio thank you everyone we'll be

1219
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:55,619
back next week and go ahead continue

1220
00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:58,380
please okay sorry about that

1221
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,859
um I decided that I I wanted to um

1222
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:04,020
uh I I want to go after it I want to

1223
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:05,460
start asking questions I want to walk

1224
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:06,660
the halls of Congress I want to talk

1225
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:09,000
people part of the task force I want to

1226
00:54:15,370 --> 00:54:11,540
know where these this evidence is

1227
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:15,380
and who has the authority to release it

1228
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,880
I would like to know that too because it

1229
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:20,400
exists we know it's somewhere and

1230
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:22,440
whether it's

1231
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:26,099
from oversight

1232
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,640
somehow through you know a private

1233
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,099
entity or something I mean it just seems

1234
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,500
like I mean there's you can go on and on

1235
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,020
how could you do so many cases yeah well

1236
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:38,760
how can you know it's there like Senator

1237
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:41,400
Reid and not know where it is so you

1238
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:44,280
know in other words it has to exist

1239
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,500
because he's talking about it

1240
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,720
he knows it's there and it can't be real

1241
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:51,599
he's like who can release this stuff

1242
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,059
that's the million dollar question where

1243
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,760
is it and who can release it enough of

1244
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:58,800
these blurry videos like let's put that

1245
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,559
to rest once and for all

1246
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:04,079
and and

1247
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:04,800
um

1248
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,900
hang on just a minute uh question just

1249
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,640
came up here

1250
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,099
um through my text I get uh this is from

1251
00:55:14,829 --> 00:55:13,920
my buddy Dean alioto

1252
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:14,839
um

1253
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,819
yeah Dean he just text me what do you

1254
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:19,200
think this is his question where do you

1255
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:21,540
think the effect on Humanity be would be

1256
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:26,280
if they were shown such hidden evidence

1257
00:55:33,609 --> 00:55:28,680
the evidence you're talking about well I

1258
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:36,230
we've already had disclosure with a

1259
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:37,380
small d

1260
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:38,780
right

1261
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:41,099
so it's kind of

1262
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:44,220
it's kind of unfolding as as we as we

1263
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:46,200
sit and talk

1264
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:49,319
um however I think if it was confirmed

1265
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:51,240
on a global level

1266
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:53,099
uh with it would have to be in

1267
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:56,460
cooperation with you know governments

1268
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:57,059
um

1269
00:56:03,530 --> 00:55:59,700
I I've said this before I've been I'll

1270
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:03,540
say it again I I'm a firm believer that

1271
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:07,380
it would have a very unifying effect on

1272
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:11,760
uh on Humanity that it would

1273
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:13,980
um kind of force us to see ourselves or

1274
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,500
who we really are and that is uh one

1275
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:19,319
people one one species One race one

1276
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:21,180
planet

1277
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:22,079
um

1278
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:25,500
and uh I long for that that that

1279
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:28,260
Revelation that that impact but I'm but

1280
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:32,520
I'm convinced that it it that it would

1281
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,640
um have that effect on us so

1282
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:37,380
um you know some people say look or you

1283
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:39,059
know organized religions would crumble

1284
00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:41,160
and the financial markets I don't think

1285
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,859
so I don't necessarily believe that I

1286
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:45,420
mean like maybe they know something

1287
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,880
that's truly horrifying that

1288
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,680
that rightfully so they feel they need

1289
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,140
to keep from us but even if it's scary I

1290
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:54,000
still think that we should know

1291
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,319
it's part of the bigger picture it's

1292
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,500
part of who we are and um

1293
00:57:01,490 --> 00:57:00,359
you know look

1294
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,500
um

1295
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,599
Dr Edgar Mitchell said to me you know we

1296
00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:05,040
still have to take out the garbage and

1297
00:57:08,890 --> 00:57:06,260
yeah

1298
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:08,900
and I agree with that and I think

1299
00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:11,880
personally I think that um you know

1300
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:14,540
we're such an ephemeral Society anyway

1301
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:18,119
like oh that's amazing news and oh my

1302
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:19,740
God and a month later we'd all be doing

1303
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,740
uh looking at our iPhones and and you

1304
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:24,420
know I think we would just kind of move

1305
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,540
on just knowing unless you know we knew

1306
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:29,940
something that they were we're uh we're

1307
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:33,420
on the menu I had a guy in a parking lot

1308
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,319
just recently this is so bad

1309
00:57:44,049 --> 00:57:40,319
looking at his phone walking

1310
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,390
oh my God you're walking through a

1311
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:49,680
crowded parking lot with cars and you're

1312
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:51,420
staring at your phone what are you doing

1313
00:57:59,710 --> 00:57:55,020
yeah okay see that all the time oh my

1314
00:58:01,849 --> 00:57:59,720
God what is going on I know guys yeah

1315
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:01,859
could you imagine walking across a

1316
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:04,619
crosswalk I have seen it you know when

1317
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:07,859
way back I'm talking about over 10 years

1318
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:11,579
ago I was on a bus at Logan Airport and

1319
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,079
a woman walked right across the street

1320
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:15,119
looking at her phone and the bus had to

1321
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:16,500
slam on the brakes

1322
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,660
you know so that that's going way back

1323
00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:19,920
before

1324
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:25,490
uh so again I'm going to try to put up

1325
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:28,200
some of these questions yes um did

1326
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:30,059
Ray wanted to know did they take a skin

1327
00:58:33,309 --> 00:58:31,740
graft do we what do we know that they

1328
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:33,319
did in the hospital do we know anything

1329
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:37,619
well from what the doctor told me

1330
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,700
um I should have asked those those

1331
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:40,440
specific questions that's a good

1332
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:41,880
question

1333
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:47,750
and I mentioned in the movie

1334
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:50,339
there was an unknown substance eight

1335
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:52,740
percent I don't know I'm sure it was if

1336
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:55,559
it was a bacteria or what it was it's in

1337
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,299
the autopsy report there was something

1338
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,160
unknown to the doctors they couldn't

1339
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,720
recognize

1340
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:03,480
that they believe

1341
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:06,900
caused Marco trees's immune system to

1342
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,540
systematically shut down and that the

1343
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:11,160
antibiotics

1344
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:13,559
that they were giving him to treat this

1345
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:14,940
General infection

1346
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:18,660
was powerless and wow yeah

1347
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,900
yeah that's that's a shame so this kind

1348
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,700
of goes along with what you've uh were

1349
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,260
talking about earlier did you look up

1350
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:27,359
anyone in the U.S to see if it was

1351
00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:28,980
brought here so that was just basically

1352
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,900
a rumor

1353
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,640
um you didn't there's no real

1354
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:35,040
confirmation that zeros were brought

1355
00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:38,660
yeah zero up here

1356
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:40,859
nothing in America but I haven't stuck

1357
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:42,420
my teeth into this one yet

1358
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,720
yeah well it's such a strange thing that

1359
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,880
pardon me that we would show up there

1360
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,619
the U.S would show up there to begin

1361
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,319
with and you know I mean it it's so

1362
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:55,020
bizarre to hear that we would

1363
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,260
go to a different country yeah well

1364
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:00,720
something like this you know what I tell

1365
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:05,280
you pretty much every single case

1366
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:08,700
that I have personally investigated

1367
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:12,000
dating back to the 50s

1368
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,660
I have either Witnesses on camera or

1369
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:17,700
that have told me personally

1370
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:20,760
that there was an unknown U.S government

1371
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:24,660
agency a man in a suit plane closed

1372
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:28,559
they're trying to either sanitize you

1373
01:00:33,849 --> 01:00:31,220
know take the evidence

1374
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:33,859
influence the witnesses

1375
01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:35,819
uh

1376
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:38,220
you know both military and civilian I

1377
01:00:40,990 --> 01:00:39,540
mean I could go on until tomorrow

1378
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:41,000
morning but

1379
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:45,000
when I came to Brazil

1380
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:48,299
and when the mother of those two young

1381
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:50,579
women uh

1382
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:54,480
was coerced and and tried to be

1383
01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:58,500
manipulated and um bribed

1384
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:59,819
um by

1385
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:01,859
um she called them foreigners she was

1386
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,180
pretty convinced that two of them were

1387
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,040
from the United States but they were

1388
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:07,920
quiet with clipboards uh

1389
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,480
I don't know I felt compelled that I

1390
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:11,040
could no longer ignore this aspect of

1391
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:12,839
the phenomenon that there truly is some

1392
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:15,660
unknown I know it's like such a buzzword

1393
01:01:19,309 --> 01:01:17,400
right you go oh Men In Black you know

1394
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,319
it's like you just want to just go oh

1395
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:22,799
God not this but I I felt compelled to

1396
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:26,880
no longer ignore and to actually include

1397
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:30,599
um the testimony like I said I I've got

1398
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,299
testimony dating back to the 50s of

1399
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:35,220
people talking about this this unknown

1400
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:37,380
government agency that's

1401
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:40,980
um just uh harassing basically harassing

1402
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,740
trying to influence them trying to you

1403
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:45,660
know take any photographic evidence they

1404
01:01:48,670 --> 01:01:46,740
may have

1405
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,680
digging through their homes

1406
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,599
intimidation that kind of thing the only

1407
01:01:56,410 --> 01:01:53,280
thing I think it could sound like a

1408
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:56,420
branch of is the CIA you know I mean

1409
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:59,520
what other group government group would

1410
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:01,140
be involved in something like this well

1411
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:03,420
they've got a they've got a

1412
01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:07,200
an uncanny ability to

1413
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:07,940
um

1414
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,540
monitor all these cases because you know

1415
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:14,220
I I could tell you an example when I

1416
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:18,180
interviewed parvi Safari on 2007.

1417
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,240
he was the Iranian pilot that had this

1418
01:02:26,589 --> 01:02:23,520
dramatic encounter with the UFO tried to

1419
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:26,599
shoot at it in 1970-73

1420
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,980
76 yeah overtay and um

1421
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,319
he said that the very next morning they

1422
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,480
were deep in the debrief there was a a

1423
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,119
man from the United States there asking

1424
01:02:46,089 --> 01:02:41,760
questions and you know when I was

1425
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:46,099
interviewing uh General William debrauer

1426
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:50,160
Wilfred Wilfred debrauer yeah I think it

1427
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:53,339
was uh late 80s early 90s that flap over

1428
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,740
Belgium the big triangular shape you

1429
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:58,200
know yeah scrambled Jets yada yada

1430
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,540
and Wilford debrauer said that there

1431
01:03:05,329 --> 01:03:02,640
were two men in suits from the U.S some

1432
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:05,339
unknown government agency and they were

1433
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,339
um they were asking for the videotic the

1434
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,559
cockpit recordings of of these jets that

1435
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,299
were scrambled to intercept

1436
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:14,520
and Wilfred Dubrow said sure I can make

1437
01:03:18,289 --> 01:03:16,140
copies of those for you but I need an

1438
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:18,299
official request and they refuse to do

1439
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:19,200
that because then there'd be a paper

1440
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:20,099
trail

1441
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:22,940
and you know you talk to um

1442
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,339
uh uh Deputy base commander Colonel

1443
01:03:31,789 --> 01:03:28,140
Charles halt regarding the the bent

1444
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,799
Waters UFO incident December 1980 and he

1445
01:03:35,809 --> 01:03:33,599
said that men from an unknown government

1446
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,819
agency showed up and

1447
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:37,859
um basically took over subjected his

1448
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,359
Witnesses his men to uh sodium pentathol

1449
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:45,119
I guess it is the serum as well as like

1450
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:46,920
you know just obfuscated whatever

1451
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:49,380
evidence there was on the base he didn't

1452
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:50,819
know where they were from they flew in

1453
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:58,910
think about the the Princeton

1454
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,500
um you know the Tic Tac with the plain

1455
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:03,720
clothes you know it wasn't a suit but

1456
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,359
still plain clothes two people show up

1457
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,359
and take the data bricks you know the

1458
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,880
release to them and they show up on an

1459
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:13,680
aircraft carrier not the Princeton the

1460
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:17,940
uh Nimitz and I mean that's so bizarre

1461
01:04:24,410 --> 01:04:20,460
and it's you know you can go back on

1462
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,420
through time in all kinds of cases and

1463
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:27,059
someone shows up mysteriously and like

1464
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,579
you said very quickly after

1465
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,220
yeah there was uh the the McMinnville

1466
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:35,460
Oregon case yeah with Paul and Evelyn

1467
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:40,140
Trent there was the 1965 Santa Ana Rex

1468
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,839
Heflin with the Polaroids he had

1469
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:44,880
government agencies showing up harassing

1470
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,720
him

1471
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:47,520
she took his photographic evidence it

1472
01:04:54,609 --> 01:04:49,859
was returned to him before he died 20

1473
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,710
yes it's in her safe yeah but she's

1474
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:00,000
deceased yeah but her daughter has it I

1475
01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:02,940
talked to her good good God I loved her

1476
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:05,819
we did a a brilliant interview with her

1477
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:07,020
on camera

1478
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:08,520
which at some point I should release

1479
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,680
that with her holding those amazing

1480
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,240
Polaroids I got to hold those in my hand

1481
01:05:18,109 --> 01:05:14,880
but in any case Evelyn Trent in 1950

1482
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,119
McMinnville Oregon she had this guy show

1483
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,980
up in a suit from an unknown government

1484
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:22,319
agency and ransacked her whole house

1485
01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:24,540
where I know there's negatives here what

1486
01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:26,579
else you got there's more photographs

1487
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:29,220
this kind of thing and just left her

1488
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:31,559
house just totally trashed and and

1489
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:34,500
amazing yeah and yeah it just goes on

1490
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:37,500
and on and on so you know and it's not

1491
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:39,540
like a it's not like Project Blue Book I

1492
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:42,240
mean there are some cases where you know

1493
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:44,280
someone showed up from there shortly

1494
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:47,700
after quickly after but uh an incident

1495
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,339
but it's not like uh they're letting

1496
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,319
themselves be known who they are

1497
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:55,920
well you know it reminds me of the 1964

1498
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,500
Socorro New Mexico case with officer

1499
01:06:01,789 --> 01:06:00,240
Lonnie Zamora somebody had just

1500
01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:01,799
mentioned it earlier on the show right

1501
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:05,099
and uh I have a tape recording of

1502
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:09,359
Officer Zamora talking about uh you know

1503
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:11,099
the Military Officers and the FBI were

1504
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:12,900
on the scene like lickety-split I mean

1505
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,700
within under an hour I mean the the

1506
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,799
bushes were still smoldering Footprints

1507
01:06:21,309 --> 01:06:19,200
from the creatures all that stuff and he

1508
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:21,319
said that they took him in

1509
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:24,839
to a room and basically interrogated him

1510
01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:28,500
for hours hours okay

1511
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,020
they had a book of photographic evidence

1512
01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:33,660
on other similar cases in in and around

1513
01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:36,420
the area yeah and uh basically told them

1514
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,339
don't talk about it and the aspect they

1515
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:40,079
did that they really didn't want to talk

1516
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:42,359
about him talking about was the Close

1517
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,059
Encounter of the Third Kind was the fact

1518
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:47,220
that he claims to have sung to have seen

1519
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,319
entities associated with that landed

1520
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,380
craft which he described as a white egg

1521
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,240
which kind of reminds you of a Tic Tac a

1522
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,280
little bit but he describes it as an egg

1523
01:07:02,809 --> 01:06:59,640
and um but that was one aspect that

1524
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,819
according to officer Zamora that the

1525
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:04,680
military just absolutely did not want

1526
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,839
him to go into because it's much more

1527
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:09,599
difficult to explain beans on the ground

1528
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:12,839
than it is an unknown object in the sky

1529
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,780
I interviewed this guy and I came upon

1530
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,359
Him randomly I remember his first name

1531
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:19,920
was George and I'd have to look it up

1532
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:22,980
but he as a child

1533
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:27,020
back in the uh late 50s I think it was

1534
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,960
uh had quite a UFO sighting and he wrote

1535
01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:33,839
a letter to the Air Force and sent it to

1536
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,119
them his mother let him do it

1537
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:38,640
and these two guys

1538
01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:42,059
show up uh one in uniform one not in

1539
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,099
uniform uh he later identified as Rupal

1540
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:49,680
um and so they showed up at his house

1541
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,740
and yeah Rupel from from uh yeah from

1542
01:07:56,049 --> 01:07:54,960
Project Blue Book yeah so they show up

1543
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:56,059
at his house

1544
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:58,079
to his room

1545
01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:00,660
into a room talking to him about you

1546
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,220
know exactly what he saw and all this

1547
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,280
and they brought in a photo album and

1548
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,440
showed him pictures and was saying did

1549
01:08:11,329 --> 01:08:09,539
it look like this did it look like this

1550
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,339
and he was here looking at these

1551
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:13,859
different UFOs and then they kind of

1552
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,259
really interrogated this little kid nine

1553
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:18,239
years old or something like that it's

1554
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:20,520
quite a story but you know

1555
01:08:24,890 --> 01:08:22,440
I mean for someone to write a letter and

1556
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:24,900
someone would show up is well you know

1557
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:28,140
what's really funny is that I uh got to

1558
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:29,520
go through

1559
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:33,060
uh Lonnie zamoras with the um

1560
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:33,980
um

1561
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:37,380
his wife Mary agreed uh he was had

1562
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,460
unfortunately uh died in

1563
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,440
2008 I think it was

1564
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:45,839
um and Mary died his wife died I think

1565
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:49,140
last year or maybe 2020. covet

1566
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:51,000
unfortunately she got she got she got

1567
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:52,739
covered yeah

1568
01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:53,699
um

1569
01:09:01,209 --> 01:08:56,339
bless her heart she let me go through

1570
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:05,329
material from you know 50 plus years I

1571
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:07,319
guess from that case wow and he had all

1572
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:09,480
these letters and I scanned as much as I

1573
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:10,859
could

1574
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,319
um with her blessing and there was one

1575
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,839
in particular and it was a guy had a

1576
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:17,580
rather

1577
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,960
one-off name it was something Secrest

1578
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:23,040
anyway

1579
01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:26,759
I just it was clearly a guy I mean a

1580
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,739
young lad that might have been like you

1581
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:31,440
know seven or eight nine years old who

1582
01:09:36,010 --> 01:09:33,179
writes this letter dear Lonnie you know

1583
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:36,020
a friend of mine's got these you know

1584
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:38,580
photographs of something similar to what

1585
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,460
you saw we live over here love to hear

1586
01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:43,560
back from you very curious to what you

1587
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,679
saw and I thought you know this I looked

1588
01:09:50,410 --> 01:09:48,239
at the guy and

1589
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:50,420
and I found him on Facebook

1590
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:53,219
50 years later and I I'm amazing

1591
01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:55,020
photographed it I said did you write

1592
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:57,960
this letter and he said oh my God that's

1593
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:00,840
me I I can't believe that he said Lonnie

1594
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:04,260
never wrote me back wow well I found the

1595
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,080
letter at Lonnie's home and uh

1596
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:10,679
you know I just thought I would uh

1597
01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:15,290
and I think the letter is actually in

1598
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:18,360
the movie yeah something Seacrest anyway

1599
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,480
yeah isn't that funny well I gotta say

1600
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:23,880
James you live the life you know you

1601
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:26,040
live the life I would love to live and

1602
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:28,199
and go to these places and talk to these

1603
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,540
people and actually you know get this

1604
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:33,360
great stuff and I do have to say my two

1605
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:35,580
favorite movies when I first started

1606
01:10:39,229 --> 01:10:37,140
looking into this I've told you this

1607
01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:39,239
before was out of the blue and I know

1608
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,820
what I saw those are absolutely my

1609
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,500
favorite movies when I started looking

1610
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:46,320
into the subject and they still oh they

1611
01:10:50,570 --> 01:10:48,540
still hold up thank you you know I

1612
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,580
actually watched

1613
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:52,500
out of the blue the director's cut

1614
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:54,360
because I spent another couple years on

1615
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,280
on that film after we finished it and

1616
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,260
sold it to NBC Universal

1617
01:11:04,669 --> 01:11:01,440
I did a lot of work to it wow I mean

1618
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:04,679
almost made it a new film but uh and I

1619
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,090
maybe seven or eight years ago

1620
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,860
and I thought oh God am I ready for this

1621
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:16,800
you know but honestly I was shocked at

1622
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:19,500
how well it I am how much I enjoyed it

1623
01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:23,100
yeah oh it's great and I I suggest to

1624
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:24,659
any of the listeners out there if you

1625
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:27,659
haven't watched this it's it's one to

1626
01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:29,820
watch it's a great I mean I don't know I

1627
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:31,500
I thought that I know what I saw was a

1628
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:32,520
little better but a lot of people don't

1629
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:35,100
feel that way so I don't know yeah well

1630
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:37,260
they both deserve a look at if you ask

1631
01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:39,000
me I mean you can tell the difference

1632
01:11:42,169 --> 01:11:40,500
between me

1633
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:42,179
and out of the blue and I know what I

1634
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:45,900
saw and me in moment of contact

1635
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:51,709
probably the better yeah 20 years 20

1636
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,800
years on me I had no gray hair I had a

1637
01:12:01,149 --> 01:11:58,320
beautiful like you know young youthful

1638
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:04,610
well uh well I think your aging really

1639
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,800
well myself but oh no hey I'm not

1640
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,420
complaining at all I'm just it's just

1641
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,480
funny you know it's funny yourself over

1642
01:12:16,490 --> 01:12:14,280
the decades you know especially when

1643
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,500
it's documented like that you know yeah

1644
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:18,960
that's right so getting back to the case

1645
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:21,900
here I'm gonna pop up some questions

1646
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,320
um the uh Virginia oh now Ray wanted to

1647
01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:27,120
know why didn't I know you probably

1648
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,440
don't have an answer for this but why

1649
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:30,900
didn't the x-ray technician ever get the

1650
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:33,480
substance tested after people left his

1651
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:34,800
room

1652
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,320
had you ever spoken to the x-ray

1653
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:40,020
technician I can't remember yeah he went

1654
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:42,900
on on camera but had you know from the

1655
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,040
back and he had to have his voice

1656
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:46,920
disguised he was terrified

1657
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:50,340
and I think Marco layout spent

1658
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:52,920
seven or eight years

1659
01:12:59,149 --> 01:12:56,219
uh uh convincing him to finally coming

1660
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:59,159
forward and then doing so look we didn't

1661
01:13:01,490 --> 01:13:00,360
have an option it was like You Know

1662
01:13:02,930 --> 01:13:01,500
You're Gonna Fill Me from the back and

1663
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,940
disguise my voice or I'm not coming in

1664
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:03,840
this film

1665
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:05,159
that's it

1666
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:09,600
he said that the military arrived at the

1667
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:11,219
hospital

1668
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:16,739
big military scene trucks Jeeps police

1669
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,800
everybody armed and they wasn't a lot of

1670
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,360
talking this is what you're going to do

1671
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,120
they put this thing in a body bag on the

1672
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:26,159
table you're going to take these x-rays

1673
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:27,719
you're not going to look at these x-rays

1674
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:30,900
you can't you can't even verify that the

1675
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:33,659
x-rays came out hmm

1676
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:35,940
and he said that smell of that thing was

1677
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:38,520
the so bad they had to close that

1678
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,440
section of the hospital off for several

1679
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:42,719
days while they disinfected it and

1680
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,440
lingered in his sinuses and and uh I

1681
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:48,840
don't know you know it was in a body bag

1682
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:51,840
so you know he like I said he couldn't I

1683
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,920
don't think there was anything to

1684
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:54,000
analyze

1685
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:56,940
they didn't have access to any of it

1686
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:58,500
wouldn't have been cool if he would have

1687
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,760
made a couple extra copies and didn't

1688
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:01,920
tell them

1689
01:14:09,729 --> 01:14:05,640
yeah no it's it's it seems like you know

1690
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:09,739
if this video ever comes out I mean

1691
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:13,860
that and it's considered authentic in

1692
01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:16,140
every which way I mean that seems like a

1693
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,659
game changer for everything I think so

1694
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,640
you know I mean ultimately I would love

1695
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,040
to see it come out in an official

1696
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,960
capacity I mean I'd love the Brazilian

1697
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:27,360
military to say you know what it's been

1698
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:30,179
26 years the vast majority of us leaders

1699
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:34,739
at the time olympio and and Lima uh

1700
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:37,380
since retired we're

1701
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:39,900
um in our Twilight years and uh we're

1702
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:41,640
gonna go ahead and and release it now

1703
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,980
that would be the most legitimate way

1704
01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:45,300
obviously if it's going to have to be

1705
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:48,120
done anonymously then of course there's

1706
01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:49,860
going to be a lot of people that aren't

1707
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:51,239
going to believe it and I don't blame

1708
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:54,719
them yeah um so you know uh we're doing

1709
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:57,179
the best we can

1710
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,699
um if anybody thinks that uh it's not an

1711
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:01,920
all hands on deck situation I beg you

1712
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:04,560
guys to think again if anybody thinks

1713
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:06,120
that there's anybody out there that

1714
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,500
wants to get their hands on this more

1715
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,840
than me then I I ask you to reconsider

1716
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:11,940
that as well

1717
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,060
uh you know every time someone creates a

1718
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:17,280
film of any kind like you have here

1719
01:15:22,189 --> 01:15:19,260
there seems like

1720
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,199
um seems like they get contacted by

1721
01:15:26,330 --> 01:15:24,239
Witnesses has that happened

1722
01:15:28,130 --> 01:15:26,340
like all of a sudden have have new

1723
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:28,140
Witnesses come forward or anything like

1724
01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:31,500
that or new stories from people too that

1725
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:33,739
may have been involved too too

1726
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:37,380
that's just getting started yeah this is

1727
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:41,340
not Blaze its way across Brazil yet in

1728
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,340
fact the film is just getting out there

1729
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:45,360
now

1730
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,460
I mean it's going to be a while I mean

1731
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:49,980
it's only been like what two weeks if

1732
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,020
that yeah probably two weeks

1733
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,540
so there's another premieres that are

1734
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:56,820
happening in Virginia I think on the

1735
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,280
heck what's the date today

1736
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:01,199
uh today's the first

1737
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,219
so I think on the eighth there's going

1738
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,140
to be two premieres in the town of

1739
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,780
Virginia with the mayor and wow a whole

1740
01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:11,040
bunch of people it's going to be a kind

1741
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:13,140
of a big deal the Press is going to be

1742
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:14,159
there

1743
01:16:18,669 --> 01:16:16,260
um so look this is just getting out

1744
01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:18,679
there I'm

1745
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,860
extremely confident that additional

1746
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,760
eyewitnesses this is what we were hoping

1747
01:16:28,490 --> 01:16:25,679
this film would do its job is to trigger

1748
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,500
further uh you know military to come

1749
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:31,440
forward encourage further possible uh

1750
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,780
you know United States cooperation for

1751
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:36,000
them to come for somebody on that side

1752
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:38,100
to come forward and I'm I'm confident

1753
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:40,860
that that will it always does happen

1754
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:45,060
it always does it does and

1755
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:47,820
um you mentioned earlier that people

1756
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,480
seem to be very cautious and not really

1757
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:54,239
every person you said was hard to talk

1758
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,980
to about oh did not want to talk about

1759
01:17:01,930 --> 01:16:58,320
almost impossible and is that because of

1760
01:17:04,729 --> 01:17:01,940
intimidation yeah they were terrified

1761
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:04,739
every single Witness

1762
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:06,540
and they weren't like I didn't have

1763
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:08,219
anyone sit there and say to me oh if you

1764
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:09,420
do this I'm going to shoot you and your

1765
01:17:13,850 --> 01:17:11,820
family that's not what they said

1766
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:13,860
you know it was like the consequences

1767
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:17,640
will be very severe do not you know when

1768
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:20,580
we were in Virginia we had either just

1769
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:23,340
met with some military guys or we are

1770
01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:24,780
about to meet with them

1771
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,900
and the military base as a started

1772
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,040
calling around

1773
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,640
to the witnesses hey how you doing

1774
01:17:37,810 --> 01:17:35,520
still living over at uh this address oh

1775
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:37,820
good good good how's the family

1776
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:41,340
Jesus hey um there's an American

1777
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:45,060
documentary film crew here now did they

1778
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:46,320
reach out to you

1779
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,820
have you met with them did you hear

1780
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:49,920
anything about them kind of thing

1781
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:53,640
yeah so still ongoing 26 years later

1782
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:56,580
that was that was spooky yeah that is

1783
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:58,380
that was spooky to them and it was

1784
01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:00,300
spooky to us because we'd just gotten

1785
01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:03,060
you know threatened at gun you know we

1786
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:04,500
didn't pull the Gunner out in our face

1787
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:06,120
but like bullets are going to start

1788
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:07,500
flying basically if you don't get the

1789
01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:09,960
hell out of here and I asked you know

1790
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:11,940
people also because people kind of

1791
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,980
criticize like oh you went to the guy's

1792
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:15,840
house what did you expect I'm like well

1793
01:18:23,149 --> 01:18:19,260
you know every other option had been

1794
01:18:24,649 --> 01:18:23,159
exhausted for 26 years

1795
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:24,659
so with the help

1796
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,540
of the mayor the current mayor of

1797
01:18:32,050 --> 01:18:30,480
Virginia we located this Witness

1798
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:32,060
and went to his house

1799
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,380
there was no other option it was either

1800
01:18:38,450 --> 01:18:36,719
that or don't even bother trying so

1801
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,460
naturally

1802
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:40,560
you know I'm gonna go out there and try

1803
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:43,260
and we did would you have if you could

1804
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,020
do that whole thing over again would you

1805
01:18:51,709 --> 01:18:49,199
have sent one person or something like

1806
01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:51,719
that that's who that door that had been

1807
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,420
done a thousand times

1808
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:55,920
the family had done that a thousand

1809
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,860
times yeah the sister had done that a

1810
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:00,960
thousand times

1811
01:19:04,610 --> 01:19:02,760
well you know that that kind of says

1812
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,620
volumes for

1813
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,199
and I think that I possibly went over

1814
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:11,810
um and I had I not been with a Brazilian

1815
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,159
you know counterparts particularly that

1816
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:16,080
guy that we were with homelo who's quite

1817
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,780
famous in Brazil in Virginia he might

1818
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:21,600
have just shot me on the spot you know

1819
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:24,060
yeah and well that that speaks to that

1820
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:26,219
he is really scared you know that's

1821
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,500
that's what that's about there's there's

1822
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:30,719
no other no other uh reason he would act

1823
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:32,340
like that

1824
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:38,030
um let's see uh regarding the crash I

1825
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:39,300
know I'm just going to go through these

1826
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:40,560
questions and then we can wrap it up

1827
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:42,780
basically here but I'm gonna go read to

1828
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:45,780
my son I'm going to read it okay yeah

1829
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,580
we're ready to wrap up here in just a

1830
01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:50,239
minute but uh so remember every night

1831
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:53,460
that's awesome yeah Ollie hey Ollie

1832
01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:57,239
hello a little Ollie yeah uh all right

1833
01:20:03,290 --> 01:19:59,880
great kid so what was the evidence for a

1834
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:03,300
crashed ship was debris ever seen now

1835
01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:07,140
did your witness actually see you saw a

1836
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:09,260
crash

1837
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:12,120
yes he held the debris in his hands he

1838
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:14,460
did oh yeah and it crumpled it up and

1839
01:20:18,530 --> 01:20:16,440
just like Roswell it yeah and we've

1840
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:18,540
talked to the we also funny actually

1841
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:24,420
because we interviewed in 2013 the farm

1842
01:20:30,649 --> 01:20:28,020
hand at myolini Farm and he talked about

1843
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:30,659
the neighbors reporting the big

1844
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:34,260
boom like a big impact like they heard

1845
01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:36,179
it correct because it crashed at like

1846
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:38,219
five o'clock in the morning

1847
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,600
so it was dusk hmm and uh or Dawn I'm so

1848
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:44,400
sorry Dawn and

1849
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:45,540
um

1850
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:49,679
scene they knew it was coming down they

1851
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:51,300
were on the scene within five minutes

1852
01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:54,900
and Carlos de Souza the ultralight pilot

1853
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:56,340
and professor

1854
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:59,940
had watched it crash and drove up to the

1855
01:21:03,649 --> 01:21:02,340
debris Fields never once in a million

1856
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,659
years did he think it was an alien

1857
01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:05,520
spaceship you thought it was maybe some

1858
01:21:09,229 --> 01:21:07,080
prototype something sure I didn't know

1859
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:09,239
what it was but the smell and then the

1860
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,560
nature of the debris and then of course

1861
01:21:14,689 --> 01:21:12,960
the military pointing guns at him and

1862
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,699
ordering him to leave and then the Men

1863
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:17,040
in Black that came to visit him and all

1864
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:19,320
that stuff he's like Jesus they are

1865
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,640
really going out of their way to cover

1866
01:21:24,530 --> 01:21:22,980
this up yeah that's what I see and then

1867
01:21:27,770 --> 01:21:24,540
other reports started coming out of the

1868
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:27,780
beans and that's okay that's that was a

1869
01:21:34,250 --> 01:21:30,719
vehicle from another another whatever

1870
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:34,260
somewhere else yeah uh James as always

1871
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:37,140
it's been a complete pleasure to speak

1872
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,219
with you

1873
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,560
Oh Martin it's always a pleasure to

1874
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:42,600
speak with you too and it sounds like I

1875
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:46,560
might see you in New Mexico in March

1876
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,440
maybe I definitely would consider that

1877
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,600
okay it would be great to do some type

1878
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:53,580
of show or something there too I always

1879
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:55,380
like to have that so I can write it off

1880
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:58,980
you know for taxes awesome well it's

1881
01:22:03,709 --> 01:22:01,800
such a pleasure and and uh and and oh I

1882
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,719
ask your audience one thing if you don't

1883
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,940
mind I know some people might consider

1884
01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:07,440
it a bit of a pain in the neck it's

1885
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:10,500
extremely helpful to me to us is to rate

1886
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:14,820
the film on iTunes or Amazon if you rent

1887
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,679
it it's very helpful to rate it for us

1888
01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:19,440
if you rent it rent it the cheapest

1889
01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:22,020
place is Amazon if you buy it get it

1890
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:24,900
from I think Vimeo or iTunes because you

1891
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:26,940
get like two hours of bonus material at

1892
01:22:30,169 --> 01:22:28,020
the same price

1893
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,179
well if you read it go to Amazon if you

1894
01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:32,280
buy it do it at iTunes and if you could

1895
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:35,100
rate rate the film on Amazon iTunes that

1896
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:37,380
would be tremendously helpful with the

1897
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,199
algorithms and and and uh greatly

1898
01:22:44,689 --> 01:22:42,480
appreciated excellent all right James

1899
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,699
you take care and uh we'll talk to you

1900
01:22:49,310 --> 01:22:46,800
soon thanks so much Martin bye all right

1901
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,320
yeah bye all right everyone don't forget

1902
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,060
we'll be back next week with George

1903
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:54,239
Simpson talking about the valentech uh

1904
01:22:58,710 --> 01:22:57,239
Australian case and remember to keep

1905
01:23:07,250 --> 01:22:58,720
your eyes to the sky